From jp at ftml.net Wed Dec 14 01:07:21 2022 From: jp at ftml.net (jp at ftml.net) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:07:21 -0500 Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Tech Zoom Message-ID: <5425edad-b6c8-494f-a551-157753e92615@app.fastmail.com> Hi all, It is finally time for our next Tech Zoom on Wednesday 12/15 at 7PM. Main topics include ID of required functionality (Esp Cheryl - merchant account / accepting payments discussion and Elizabeth - functionality required for delegate interactions with members Also prob. Cheryl - member management? All - do we want member interaction capability? and... site maintenance strategy / capability requirements) I covered some of this in last month's email that no one actually responded to (sorry if TMI); I can resend if you want to torture yourself or we can just discuss online. I will mail a bullet-point agenda tomorrow if anyone has anything they want to add / prioritize Thanks, Jennifer Cheryl has updated our Zoom link: Topic: GMDC Tech Committee Mtg Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://us06web.zoom.us/j/84007212454?pwd=NkVRekFDdTMvbjRvanJMa1JDM3lIdz09 Meeting ID: 840 0721 2454 Passcode: 367241 One tap mobile +13092053325, ,84007212454#,,,,*367241# US +13126266799, ,84007212454#,,,,*367241# US (Chicago) Dial by your location +1 309 205 3325 US +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 931 3860 US +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 669 444 9171 US +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 689 278 1000 US +1 719 359 4580 US +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 360 209 5623 US +1 386 347 5053 US +1 507 473 4847 US +1 564 217 2000 US Meeting ID: 840 0721 2454 Passcode: 367241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Topic: GMDC Tech Committee Mtg Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://us06web.zoom.us/j/84007212454?pwd=NkVRekFDdTMvbjRvanJMa1JDM3lIdz09 Meeting ID: 840 0721 2454 Passcode: 367241 One tap mobile +13092053325,,84007212454#,,,,*367241# US +13126266799,,84007212454#,,,,*367241# US (Chicago) Dial by your location +1 309 205 3325 US +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 931 3860 US +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 305 224 1968 US +1 253 205 0468 US +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 360 209 5623 US +1 386 347 5053 US +1 507 473 4847 US +1 564 217 2000 US +1 669 444 9171 US +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 689 278 1000 US +1 719 359 4580 US Meeting ID: 840 0721 2454 Passcode: 367241 Find your local number: https://us06web.zoom.us/u/kdEsels4sJ ________________________________ From: GMDC_Tech on behalf of Jennifer Pivovar Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:53 AM To: GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Oops Hi folks - For those of you who read my zoom note carefully... Our meeting is actually tomorrow (Thursday, Dec 15 - not Wednesday, Dec 15 as I wrote). I have no earthly idea why I wrote Wednesday - when Thurday is our night! Someone left a bowl of cookies by the figure 8 cones and I got distracted... "see" you tomorrow, I hope. Sorry for the confusion. Jennifer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp at fmgirl.com Thu Dec 15 18:48:17 2022 From: jp at fmgirl.com (Jennifer Pivovar) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 13:48:17 -0500 Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Fwd: Tech Zoom Message-ID: This is the email I forwarded as an attachement. THis is probably easier to read: ----- Original message ----- From: Jennifer Pivovar To: gmdc_tech at jpivovar.net Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Tech Zoom Date: Sunday, November 06, 2022 8:34 PM Hi All, I have realied that our next tech zoom conflicts with the Nov. program. Can we reschedule? Maybe the following Tuesday 11/22 @7:00? To start, some thoughts on functionality--- (some providers are better at some of these than others. why we need to prioritize) +++++ On Line Payments (AKA, throw money at Cheryl) There are 2 basic methods of taking payments. Donation / subscription / registration monies are typically collected via forms processing (Click the choices on a page, enter payment info, submit). The selling of items typically happens via "e-commerce" aka a shopping cart. Of course you can make either method do either type of transaction, but for what we do I think we are looking at forms processing for payments Virtually all platforms support PayPal payments (2.99% + .49 cents per transaction, 2.59% without chargeback protection), some (ok, most) charge a service fee on top of the paypal fees unless you have a build-and-host-it-yourself site. The platforms geared toward smaller club / member orgs typically have a preferred payment partner; if you use their preferred payment system they do not charge a service fee. eg: Wild Apricot uses AffiniPay, (2.9% + .30 per xact), Club Express has a built-in payment system (2.99%+.20 per xact), JotForm supports most processors and does not charge an additilonal fee beyond whatever the processor fees are, CoffeeCup supports most gateways and does not charge an additional fee. It is unclear if Wordpress or Wix charge transaction service fees , and Square Space does not offer pricing information of any kind. So, the best plan may be to not choose a merchant account until we have chosen a platform +++++ Member Engagement - Club Express and WIld Apricot are two examples of platforms that are geared toward small membership organizations. They include features such private member areas. Members can create a profile and choose what info to share with other members, there can be private file sharing, blogs and forums. This is Elizabeth's main area - I am not clear what features you are actually looking for . I know you have put some time into making a private Facebook Group. Can you open this up - if only to the committee? Maybe that will give an idea of what you are trying to put together? I'm not clear if features like the forums and/or blogs would be helpful to you +++++ eMail Templating This is the pretty announcement emails we could use for general membership emails. Templates can be available for the monthly meeting announcements, event announcements, reports, etc. Cheryl - most of these platforms offer automatic invoicing, etc for member renewals - a template can be set that knows when to send the invoice, when to nudge if no response, when to expire the member if no payment, etc. Event announcements can have a 'click to register' link to an rsvp form with options and pricing if it is not free ++++++ Mailboxes Sadly, most of the platforms I mentioned herein do NOT provide mailboxes. I do support the use of responsibility accounts (ie, "Treasurer at Greenmountaindogclub.com" etc so that the function is not closely linked with an individual; also the mailbox itself can be a repository for the communications and documents generated by that role and can pass from person to person when the responsibility changes. There are any number of ways around this. I have sent this email from the address WebTech at greenmountaindogclub.org - this is an alias that transparently forwards & sends mail to/from me . We can do this right now BUT - there is no standalone mailbox for an alias, and your cient has to support using an alias as a send identity. Some popular clients are really restrictive in this regard (lookin' at you, Outlook), and many people get frustrated trying to get this properly configured. So I don't think this is a great option. We can purchase hosting at cleverdot (where we have registered the domain) at a very reasonable cost and this will support literally hundreds of mailboxes. The site itself may or may not be hosted there (it is now on Weebly, I have a redirect at the Cleverdot nameservers; we can direct the domain anywhere we want) I have created a few sample mailboxes for you to try at my domain (this is what we would get in the above scenario) To try one or more out go to https://webmail.jpivovar.net/ and enter one of the email addresses below. GMDC_Delegate at jpivovar.net GMDC_Treasurer at jpivovar.net GMDC_Secretary at jpivovar.net GMDC_Veep at jpivovar.net The password for each is 2BEaDog4All ++++++ Other things ++++++ Newsletter opt-in, donation link, photo galleries, event calendars, event management, even a 'meetup' facility for ad-hoc member gatherings / training / etc are all available to some extent in many platforms. Online site management that allows multiple admins with individualized access is a great feature for an org that is basically virtual and geographically separated. ++++++Don't worry, there's more +++++ Jennifer -- GMDC_Tech mailing list GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net http://jpivovar.net/mailman/listinfo/gmdc_tech_jpivovar.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp at fmgirl.com Thu Dec 15 18:49:30 2022 From: jp at fmgirl.com (Jennifer Pivovar) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 13:49:30 -0500 Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Fwd: Tech Zoom Message-ID: OK, so the mailer rejected the email attachment. I have sent it separately, here's today's agenda... ----- Original message ----- From: Jennifer Pivovar To: GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net Subject: Fwd: Tech Zoom Date: Thursday, December 15, 2022 1:46 PM I have forwarded my first email from last month (attached) because some of you said you have not received it.... and there's lots (too much?) of good info in there. For tonight: (See you at 7) * Requirements? * Payment accepting * member interaction * member management * even mamagement * Platform? * I've attached a spreadsheet with platform comparisons. We can begin this fun discussion using that as a base. There are some examples embedded i the spreadsheet. It is .ods but excel will open it. * Identity? * We are now http://greenmountaindogclub.com * We could also be things like: * http://gmdc.info * http://gmdogclub.org * gmdogclub.net * You get the idea - in case we don't like typing. we can be all of these things, actually, except the ones that are already taken That should be a solid hour :). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PlatformCompare.ods Type: application/octet-stream Size: 14591 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hartwellpond at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:10:56 2022 From: hartwellpond at gmail.com (Elizabeth Trail) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 18:10:56 -0500 Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Fwd: Tech Zoom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all,. I'm driving and I'm not sure I can make the meeting. I may just pull over and open zoom up in the car. This is my crazy busy time of the year, I hardly have time to breathe so I'll do my best. I don't have any thing new to offer on the FB member site, not much has been going on lately, except, ironically, people bickering on the delegates list about the rule against conducting any of the delegate business by zoom (there was a brief exception during COVID). If Jennifer has some updates on that idea, perhaps we could record the meeting so I could watch it when I get home? E On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 1:49 PM Jennifer Pivovar wrote: > This is the email I forwarded as an attachement. THis is probably easier > to read: > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Jennifer Pivovar > To: gmdc_tech at jpivovar.net > Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Tech Zoom > Date: Sunday, November 06, 2022 8:34 PM > > Hi All, > > I have realied that our next tech zoom conflicts with the Nov. program. > Can we reschedule? Maybe the following Tuesday 11/22 @7:00? > > To start, some thoughts on functionality--- (some providers are better at > some of these than others. why we need to prioritize) > +++++ > On Line Payments (AKA, throw money at Cheryl) > There are 2 basic methods of taking payments. Donation / subscription / > registration monies are typically collected via forms processing (Click the > choices on a page, enter payment info, submit). The selling of items > typically happens via "e-commerce" aka a shopping cart. Of course you can > make either method do either type of transaction, but for what we do I > think we are looking at forms processing for payments > > Virtually all platforms support PayPal payments (2.99% + .49 cents per > transaction, 2.59% without chargeback protection), some (ok, most) charge a > service fee on top of the paypal fees unless you have a > build-and-host-it-yourself site. > The platforms geared toward smaller club / member orgs typically have a > preferred payment partner; if you use their preferred payment system they > do not charge a service fee. eg: Wild Apricot uses AffiniPay, (2.9% + .30 > per xact), Club Express has a built-in payment system (2.99%+.20 per xact), > JotForm supports most processors and does not charge an additilonal fee > beyond whatever the processor fees are, CoffeeCup supports most gateways > and does not charge an additional fee. It is unclear if Wordpress or Wix > charge transaction service fees , and Square Space does not offer pricing > information of any kind. > > So, the best plan may be to not choose a merchant account until we have > chosen a platform > +++++ > Member Engagement - Club Express and WIld Apricot are two examples of > platforms that are geared toward small membership organizations. They > include features such private member areas. Members can create a profile > and choose what info to share with other members, there can be private file > sharing, blogs and forums. This is Elizabeth's main area - I am not clear > what features you are actually looking for . I know you have put some time > into making a private Facebook Group. Can you open this up - if only to > the committee? Maybe that will give an idea of what you are trying to put > together? I'm not clear if features like the forums and/or blogs would be > helpful to you > > +++++ > eMail Templating This is the pretty announcement emails we could use for > general membership emails. > Templates can be available for the monthly meeting announcements, event > announcements, reports, etc. Cheryl - most of these platforms offer > automatic invoicing, etc for member renewals - a template can be set that > knows when to send the invoice, when to nudge if no response, when to > expire the member if no payment, etc. > Event announcements can have a 'click to register' link to an rsvp form > with options and pricing if it is not free > > ++++++ > Mailboxes > Sadly, most of the platforms I mentioned herein do NOT provide mailboxes. > I do support the use of responsibility accounts (ie, " > Treasurer at Greenmountaindogclub.com" etc so that the function is not > closely linked with an individual; also the mailbox itself can be a > repository for the communications and documents generated by that role and > can pass from person to person when the responsibility changes. > There are any number of ways around this. I have sent this email from the > address WebTech at greenmountaindogclub.org - this is an alias that > transparently forwards & sends mail to/from me . We can do this right now > BUT - there is no standalone mailbox for an alias, and your cient has to > support using an alias as a send identity. Some popular clients are really > restrictive in this regard (lookin' at you, Outlook), and many people get > frustrated trying to get this properly configured. So I don't think this > is a great option. We can purchase hosting at cleverdot (where we have > registered the domain) at a very reasonable cost and this will support > literally hundreds of mailboxes. The site itself may or may not be hosted > there (it is now on Weebly, I have a redirect at the Cleverdot nameservers; > we can direct the domain anywhere we want) > > I have created a few sample mailboxes for you to try at my domain (this is > what we would get in the above scenario) > To try one or more out go to https://webmail.jpivovar.net/ and enter one > of the email addresses below. > GMDC_Delegate at jpivovar.net > GMDC_Treasurer at jpivovar.net > GMDC_Secretary at jpivovar.net > GMDC_Veep at jpivovar.net > > The password for each is 2BEaDog4All > > > ++++++ Other things ++++++ > Newsletter opt-in, donation link, photo galleries, event calendars, event > management, even a 'meetup' facility for ad-hoc member gatherings / > training / etc are all available to some extent in many platforms. Online > site management that allows multiple admins with individualized access is a > great feature for an org that is basically virtual and geographically > separated. > > ++++++Don't worry, there's more +++++ > > Jennifer > -- > GMDC_Tech mailing list > GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net > http://jpivovar.net/mailman/listinfo/gmdc_tech_jpivovar.net > > > -- > GMDC_Tech mailing list > GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net > http://jpivovar.net/mailman/listinfo/gmdc_tech_jpivovar.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gadgetsmom at msn.com Thu Dec 15 23:20:59 2022 From: gadgetsmom at msn.com (Cheryl Schwartz) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 23:20:59 +0000 Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Fwd: Tech Zoom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will record the meeting and send you the file tomorrow. Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: GMDC_Tech on behalf of Elizabeth Trail Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 6:10:56 PM To: Jennifer Pivovar Cc: GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net Subject: Re: [GMDC_Tech] Fwd: Tech Zoom Hi all,. I'm driving and I'm not sure I can make the meeting. I may just pull over and open zoom up in the car. This is my crazy busy time of the year, I hardly have time to breathe so I'll do my best. I don't have any thing new to offer on the FB member site, not much has been going on lately, except, ironically, people bickering on the delegates list about the rule against conducting any of the delegate business by zoom (there was a brief exception during COVID). If Jennifer has some updates on that idea, perhaps we could record the meeting so I could watch it when I get home? E On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 1:49 PM Jennifer Pivovar > wrote: This is the email I forwarded as an attachement. THis is probably easier to read: ----- Original message ----- From: Jennifer Pivovar > To: gmdc_tech at jpivovar.net Subject: [GMDC_Tech] Tech Zoom Date: Sunday, November 06, 2022 8:34 PM Hi All, I have realied that our next tech zoom conflicts with the Nov. program. Can we reschedule? Maybe the following Tuesday 11/22 @7:00? To start, some thoughts on functionality--- (some providers are better at some of these than others. why we need to prioritize) +++++ On Line Payments (AKA, throw money at Cheryl) There are 2 basic methods of taking payments. Donation / subscription / registration monies are typically collected via forms processing (Click the choices on a page, enter payment info, submit). The selling of items typically happens via "e-commerce" aka a shopping cart. Of course you can make either method do either type of transaction, but for what we do I think we are looking at forms processing for payments Virtually all platforms support PayPal payments (2.99% + .49 cents per transaction, 2.59% without chargeback protection), some (ok, most) charge a service fee on top of the paypal fees unless you have a build-and-host-it-yourself site. The platforms geared toward smaller club / member orgs typically have a preferred payment partner; if you use their preferred payment system they do not charge a service fee. eg: Wild Apricot uses AffiniPay, (2.9% + .30 per xact), Club Express has a built-in payment system (2.99%+.20 per xact), JotForm supports most processors and does not charge an additilonal fee beyond whatever the processor fees are, CoffeeCup supports most gateways and does not charge an additional fee. It is unclear if Wordpress or Wix charge transaction service fees , and Square Space does not offer pricing information of any kind. So, the best plan may be to not choose a merchant account until we have chosen a platform +++++ Member Engagement - Club Express and WIld Apricot are two examples of platforms that are geared toward small membership organizations. They include features such private member areas. Members can create a profile and choose what info to share with other members, there can be private file sharing, blogs and forums. This is Elizabeth's main area - I am not clear what features you are actually looking for . I know you have put some time into making a private Facebook Group. Can you open this up - if only to the committee? Maybe that will give an idea of what you are trying to put together? I'm not clear if features like the forums and/or blogs would be helpful to you +++++ eMail Templating This is the pretty announcement emails we could use for general membership emails. Templates can be available for the monthly meeting announcements, event announcements, reports, etc. Cheryl - most of these platforms offer automatic invoicing, etc for member renewals - a template can be set that knows when to send the invoice, when to nudge if no response, when to expire the member if no payment, etc. Event announcements can have a 'click to register' link to an rsvp form with options and pricing if it is not free ++++++ Mailboxes Sadly, most of the platforms I mentioned herein do NOT provide mailboxes. I do support the use of responsibility accounts (ie, "Treasurer at Greenmountaindogclub.com" etc so that the function is not closely linked with an individual; also the mailbox itself can be a repository for the communications and documents generated by that role and can pass from person to person when the responsibility changes. There are any number of ways around this. I have sent this email from the address WebTech at greenmountaindogclub.org - this is an alias that transparently forwards & sends mail to/from me . We can do this right now BUT - there is no standalone mailbox for an alias, and your cient has to support using an alias as a send identity. Some popular clients are really restrictive in this regard (lookin' at you, Outlook), and many people get frustrated trying to get this properly configured. So I don't think this is a great option. We can purchase hosting at cleverdot (where we have registered the domain) at a very reasonable cost and this will support literally hundreds of mailboxes. The site itself may or may not be hosted there (it is now on Weebly, I have a redirect at the Cleverdot nameservers; we can direct the domain anywhere we want) I have created a few sample mailboxes for you to try at my domain (this is what we would get in the above scenario) To try one or more out go to https://webmail.jpivovar.net/ and enter one of the email addresses below. GMDC_Delegate at jpivovar.net GMDC_Treasurer at jpivovar.net GMDC_Secretary at jpivovar.net GMDC_Veep at jpivovar.net The password for each is 2BEaDog4All ++++++ Other things ++++++ Newsletter opt-in, donation link, photo galleries, event calendars, event management, even a 'meetup' facility for ad-hoc member gatherings / training / etc are all available to some extent in many platforms. Online site management that allows multiple admins with individualized access is a great feature for an org that is basically virtual and geographically separated. ++++++Don't worry, there's more +++++ Jennifer -- GMDC_Tech mailing list GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net http://jpivovar.net/mailman/listinfo/gmdc_tech_jpivovar.net -- GMDC_Tech mailing list GMDC_Tech at jpivovar.net http://jpivovar.net/mailman/listinfo/gmdc_tech_jpivovar.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: